The CW’s Arrow and Flash have really grown into pretty incredible shows. Yes, I know that they are pretty much soap operas with tights, but they are good, they are fun, and they are entertaining as hell.

With PaleyFest going on right now, both shows were on hand to talk to fans and the press, as well as to show off their teasers for the rest of the season. From the looks of it, Arrow’s secret identity seems to be the worst kept secret in the history of the world. Meanwhile, it looks like Ollie’s got less friends than he’s realized and the worlds and Starling and Central City will be crossing over a decent amount. Oh… and something about Barry Dying and Oliver becoming the next ra’s al ghul


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